Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins

Every week, Heatmap News Executive Editor Robinson Meyer and Princeton University Professor and energy systems expert Jesse Jenkins make sense of the biggest shift of our time -- navigating the energy transition away from fossil fuels. Drawing on their years of experience reporting on and researching climate change and decarbonization, Meyer and Jenkins unpack the most important issues of the week and how the impacts of climate change and efforts to address it are transforming our economy, politics, and society at large. Music by Adam Kromelow.


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  • PhillyMattR
    A serious, detailed, and engaging podcast
    If you are interested/concerned about environmental challenges and how they fit into American/global society, this is the podcast for you. The hosts go into detail on techno/economic factors for the climate transition and how it relates to us as consumers. The episodes are engaging and serious, a rarity in today’s « attention at any cost, even the truth » media environment. Thanks guys for a great podcast.
  • Benihana H.
    Fantastic Pod!!!
    Love how personable the hosts feel. They do a great job making complex problems and solutions easy to understand. The optimistic approach to understanding the solutions available to us now and in the near future are a nice counterbalance to the overused defeatism found around the media landscape.
  • Jane Ashby
    Want to learn more about going Green?
    This is an excellent podcast for the Green-interested as well as experts. The unpacking of climate legislation impacts is eye-opening and hopeful. Those interested in making life better for future generations of people and the rest of the planet will find this podcast to be a solid guide to the green revolution in our midst. Being tech-positive is a plus, but the hosts and guests are plain-spoken and easy to understand. So much more than a “business” podcast!
  • iCentaur.com
    Severin Borenstein, really?
    There has been no one more responsible for suppressing Energy Democracy than the utility funded Hass Institute’s Severin Borenstein. I find it hypocritical that just as roof top solar was being embraced by the poor and middle class he suddenly uses the cost shift arguments to suppress the market for working families. If people want cheap & clean energy-modernize the grid by maximizing distributed energy solutions. Mr. Borenstein’s proposed policies are focused solely on utility profits, he should stop kidding himself and the public.
  • John pod listener
    Less feelings more facts
    Have been looking for a good podcast on climate and green technologies. Feel like so much online discussion is very emotional and ill informed. Not really that helpful. We need more of the type of discussion this podcast has.
  • Dreads Fan
    Well grounded
    Really enjoying this, particularly Jesse’s wealth of knowledge and ability to explain what are often hard to grasp concepts. Wish list guest: Doomberg simply to hear a fact based discussion from two different perspectives.
  • glebsfriend
    Rivian episode made me unsubscribe
    Two dudes who don’t actually know that much about cars, praising a hypothetical product from Rivian for an hour, while dealing a glancing blow to all the important rhetoric about systemic issues of American car dependency. This podcast was actively detrimental to addressing climate change.
  • Ihrtjmkeyenes
    Informative, Balanced, Nuanced Economic and Climate Policy Synthesis
    Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins are two important figures in climate policy news and academic analysis; this podcast is an amazing opportunity to hear deep dives into current climate related news, and the economic solutions or policies to address them. I highly recommend listening, and also to subscribing to the related news site Heat Map, which has some of the best climate reporting I’ve read. Five Stars!
  • nancylaplaca
    Robinson repeats right-wing talking points
    And he’s passive aggressive about it. It’s the old “third way” theme, which is really about delay. At this point, Meyer adds to the predatory delay that far too many utilities push, while far too many regulators go-along-to-get-along, or look the other way. We are going too slow, and the reason isn’t technology cost, and it isn’t because of a cost shift for the relatively piddly amount of rooftops solar we have in this country. Want to talk cost shift? How about the damages from coal, which are $.20-$.30 for every kilowatt hour? The U.S. ~20% coal. Or the damages from fossil gas, which are $.08-$.14 a kilowatt hour. Heat map may be creating some heat, but they aren’t really shedding that much light. Go to Canary media for actual analysis.
  • Heeeeybrother
    Fantastic wonky climate chatter
    Really enjoying the show so far. I was already a big fan of Heatmap and of Jesse Jenkins’ work, so this podcast caught my eye immediately. Early episodes have not disappointed. Great mix of realism and optimism, and tons of in-the-weeds details about important topics.
  • aquidmin
    New energy gang!?
    Really happy to see these folks making a podcast about energy!
  • garencheckley
    Data backed fun climate talk!
    I listen to a lot of climate podcasts, and this Shift Key takes the top spot due to it’s data (vs opinion) driven conversations, the depth of discussion, and it’s fast, fun place. Great show — I’d even pay for it!
  • Mbncr
    Academic navel gazing
    Rooftop solar is bad for climate because evidently batteries and dsm don’t exist. Deeply silly episode that feels 3-5 years behind the market and broader industry conversations.
  • Millennial Blueberry
    Podcast with one of my favorite climate scientists
    Loving the show so far. Sometimes I wish Jesse Jenkins did more talking, especially when they had a guest on, and felt like he could hardly get a word in edgewise. But otherwise very interesting and well done.
  • MikeM37363729
    A must listen for climate and clean energy
    Jesse and Robinson’s combined expertise makes this show a must listen week in and week out for anyone interested in or working on the energy transition.
  • Costasamaras
    Very well done!
    The Shift Key podcast is absolutely phenomenal. They talk about important climate and energy policy topics in ways that are clear and fun. It is very well done, I’m going to binge all the episodes.
  • Ben in Brooklyn
    Very insightful conversation on a critical issue.
    These guys really know their stuff!
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